Molly: Coming in. Hot. Welcome to Camp Content. We are here for another fresh episode. It was one of our favorite people. We are here today with Laura Davidson from Shure. Laura is one of my good friends. I’ve known her for a few years now through the podcast industry, but she brings a wealth of knowledge to the table about microphones. She is the market development manager at Shure, Inc. Singer-songwriter. Incredibly talented, I might add. A mom and an excellent roommate and all of the best conventions. She comes from a music background and brings that to the table and the work that she does for Shure. You know, when you’re like, So when you’re an artist and you understand sound and you understand microphones and who better to help design and market and make sure those get into the right hands and people who are actually using them as well? Nobody has more knowledge about sound and microphones. And Laura, although I’m sure she will disagree with me, you can find her behind the booth at all of the best conventions like NAMM, Podfest, and all of the ones that I don’t. I’m not even cool enough to know about it. But she’s also behind the mic and on stage. Not only is she a performer, but she also gives excellent presentations and keynotes and really does a great job in representing women in sound and Shure and really everything that she does. Laura makes it look easy, but she doesn’t put on any airs about who she is and what she does, even though she deserves all of the praise. And more so without further ado, please welcome Laura’s name into camp content.
Laura: Wow that was a lot!
Laura: Hello. Thank you for having me.
Molly: I mean, literally, this is how if I was like, bringing Matt to a podcast convention and he had met you, I literally would describe you the exact same way.
Laura: Like, you’re.
Molly: You’re awesome.
Laura: Seriously, you think you’re awesome?
Laura: Well, you’re awesome, too. So, you know, we’re two awesome people who know each other. Bonus: It’s great.
Molly: Bonus. Well, three awesome people.
Laura: Well Yeah!
Matt: I’m disappointed, Upset. I don’t know how to explain it, but, you know, we all have we’re going to talk about this microphone today, but you got the custom one with the lime green. I want a neon orange handle or something cool like that. Unbelievable.
Laura: You can get that, Matt. You can.
Molly: We need black with aqua blue to match our logo.
Laura: So yes, I do have the custom color. Colorware is the company that does it. Colorware Mic. and you can customize the body, the yoke, and this little ring right here. So yeah, get over there and you can make that dream come true.
Molly: Well, that’s goals for 2023.
Laura: Goals, Yes. Camp content. Custom color. MV7.
Molly: Well, you know, what I like about it is. Well, a lot of people don’t even notice that I’m using a microphone, which helps me sell a lot of times because people are very resistant to change. And like my older clients, they’re like, oh, what do I have to do this? And I’m like, Yes, you know, you do. You have to figure it out. And then we get it set up and then they’re like, Oh my God, I don’t know how I lived without this. But for some reason people have an aversion to having the microphone be visible like everybody wants it off, either want it off camera or they have it, like, hanging.
Laura: You know.
Laura: A mile away. Yes.
Molly: Like what? This is not a boom arm. This is not Hollywood. People get it together like, you know, what do we do?
Laura: I know
Molly: So there’s like a real gap. So I love that yours is visible and being used properly. And like, not only is it visible, it’s like drawing your eyes to it. Like you’re not hiding the fact that you’re using a mic, which I don’t understand. Why do people do that? Do you know why?
Laura: Well, I think there’s probably a couple of reasons. I think a lot of people are just afraid of microphones in general. And I wrote an article about it on LinkedIn because it’s just funny to me that, like, people have poor Mic technique because they’re terrified or like, you could hand somebody a mic and they would be like, What is this for an object? Like they’ve never seen it before in their lives. And I also think there’s a misconception that people think that a microphone is smart and that it can hear you and it can’t. As it is, it has a very fixed pattern. It has a very fixed way of picking up audio. It’s not going to reach out and grab the sound. So if you put it further away, the smaller and thinner and worse you’re going to sound. And it’s also going to pick up more of the environment that you’re in, which unless you’re in a perfectly treated anechoic chamber now, a perfectly treated room, you’re not it’s not going to be great. You’re going to hear echoes and reverberations from all the natural surfaces in your space. So that’s why you want to get up close and personal. But at the same time, and you all are doing the right thing, but you know, you don’t want to be on the mic like this and pop it into it because then you’ll get plosives unless you want to use a pop filter, you know? Yeah. And then Matt hates you for editing. But yeah, no, this is so like you can solve it just by turning off access. So I’m still speaking into the mic 100%, but I’m not popping it.
Molly: I get a lot of plosives, so I just changed mine. Well, there you go. Well, they use it the wrong way this whole time.
Laura: Yeah, but I mean, you wanted the natural inclination to speak directly into it, which you can do. But if you do this, then you’re going to sound just as great and take away those plosives. No, Matt, that is not that that does not work! Although there is something cool about MV7 if you’re using it via the USB, which I think we all are, you can use the MOTIV desktop app to customize the microphone and like to control it. So if you put it in what’s called far mode, which I can do real quick, like then you can have it almost off-camera. Well, then I’m switching. Okay, Now I’m in auto-level mode and I’m in the near mode, so this is cool. In the app. You can have it near or far and far. Let me go like this and it will bump up the sound a little bit and get it off-camera if people are a little shy. But you know, let’s not do that. Let’s put it back over. I like to put it in manual mode because then I have more control, I have IQ control, and I have level and gain control. I can add compression and all these fun things that people like. But, you know, that’s if you know that you want to have some more control over your mic, put it in manual mode. But if you don’t, you don’t know anything about mikes and put it in auto and have some fun.
Molly: Because it was a long journey. That’s been the story.
Laura: Yes. Or don’t touch it. Yes.
Molly: And what’s the point of buying a microphone if you’re not going to use it the right way? Right. Like it’s like, you know, and buying the right microphone really matters, which is why we always push the MV7. And it’s not because we’re an affiliate. It’s not because we’re getting a kick bag, which we just confirmed, you know, not that we needed to, but like, literally.
Laura: But she’s not.
Molly: But is it because it is a great microphone and it’s very user-friendly? And most people do not know about the app at all. And it still is a much better microphone than all the other ones, in particular the Yeti. I know you’re not going to say anything bad about No, the Yeti, but I will because it’s a great mic for a treated space. But nobody’s in a treated space, right? So it’s like it’s not a bad microphone. It’s just not the right tool for the job. It’s like trying to flip a pancake with a cheese grater like you’re in the right room and you reached in the right drawer, but you didn’t get the right tool. And the right tool matters.
Laura: It does. You know, and you and I have talked about this a lot, too. A yeti is a condenser mic and MV7 is a dynamic mic. Those are two very different beasts, pun intended with Yeti because you have a condenser with a much more sensitive pickup with that microphone, which is why it’s great when you’re in that treated room because you want it to pick up all the nuances and details and exact breath sounds and whatever. But that dynamic takes a little more to move the diaphragm and the mic and the whole physics behind it. So that’s why it’s going to pick up less of my yucky space and more of what’s directly in front of the mic.
Molly: So that’s the ideal, right? You know, it’s definitely the ideal. You know, the other thing that I have noticed with our clients when, you know, we started just sending them a microphone. So if you start a podcast with us in the setup, we send them the boom arm and the earbuds, and the microphone. We just bundle it together because half the time people aren’t wearing earbuds and there’s an echo and you know, all the reasons the boom arm just exactly boom. It just simplifies things, right, to like get the microphone closer to your face and all of that. And, you know, I tell people are like, oh, do we have to use it? And I’m like, yes, And they do begrudgingly. But then inevitably I’ll get a call or an email saying, I can’t believe I went so long without a microphone. And as everybody comments on it, everybody says how nice I sound and I swear I’m closing more deals. And so I don’t think people realize that. Like, not only is it important for you to have a microphone if you have a podcast that’s like but what are you even doing with your life if you have a pocket, you don’t have a microphone? If you plan on going on anybody’s podcast, you should have a microphone. If you plan on doing any sort of virtual presentation at all, you should have a microphone. Yeah. Even if you’re the president of your homeowner’s association and you do your meetings on Zoom, you should have a microphone.
Laura: You should.
Molly: Be like, you sound smarter when you sound better, right? Because we’re humans and we’re stupid, right? And we fall for anything. But it’s true. You sound smarter. And when you’re listening to people on Zoom all day and somebody shows up with a nice, buttery, soft voice, subconsciously, you don’t even realize, but you want to listen to them more. Yes. And so it really is, you know, so important, not just for podcasting, but for business, especially in this post-pandemic virtual world we live in. I can’t imagine not having a microphone. I can’t if I had a company where I had employees that were forward facing, I would buy every single employee a microphone in the company. Yes. And so do all of our meetings on that microphone. Even if we don’t have a podcast at all.
Laura: No, because it’s. I mean, it’s fatiguing. Otherwise not. So like you were saying, it’s not just for you, it’s for the other people that you’re working with. Like, it’s. It gets so exhausting by the end of the day. If someone has subpar audio and you’re on Zoom calls 8 hours a day and you’re just like, happy because it’s just echoey or crackly or quiet and you’re straining, you don’t realize these like, subconscious things that are going on in your brain to make up for poor audio. So that’s something like the service announcement for the day. It’s not just for your coaching too.
Matt: I do a video review like once a week and these videos are 20,30 minutes long and it’s clipped from our games and I just plug in the mic and go on loom, play the video on one screen and just voice the whole thing over, send it out to the team and it’s just 30 minutes of good quality audio. They’re not listening to me talking to my AirPods that sounds like shit. And it’s all good.
Molly: Yeah, exactly.
Laura: Headphones are important and you don’t have to wear big cans over your ears. You can wear earphones like we all are right now. And these are Aionic fives. If anyone is looking for a new set, these are more for audio files. Like if you’re serious about what you want to hear in music like the Aionic fives are off, they are legit, so check those out then.
Molly: That sounds nerd coming out. Let me love it when you talk nerdy to me, but I really do. I love all that stuff.
Laura: And they’re reading too. I mean, you can’t really.
Molly: Nice, but, you know, I need to get back to my wireless ones. I have them. I need to charge them and start using them again. But I think I have weird ears because mine always hurt me. Like I always have to buy sleaves. Yeah, I have to buy the tiniest earbuds, you know, because I think I have, like, tiny ears.
Laura: Well, that’s and that’s what’s cool about ours is they come with a little fit kit, so they come with small, medium, and large sleeves. And so if you put them in, like, I think they come defaulting with the mediums on, and if you try them and you’re like, oh, then you just take those off and slap on the smalls and there you go. Because yeah, these are, these have sound isolation technology, meaning they have this awesome memory foam to them. So when you squeeze them down, it’s like an ear plug and you squeeze them down and you put in your ear, it expands to your ear, blocks out all the extraneous garbage that you don’t want to hear, and lets you have a nice, focused sound listening experience.
Molly: Oh, man, I got to get a pair of those when I see you at the next convention.
Laura: Yes, I know. When are we seeing each other again? That’s what we got to figure out.
Molly: She podcasts. Are you going to?
Laura: Yeah. That’s why I got this.
Molly: I love her podcast!
Laura: I got this sign. It’s come in as she podcasts.
Molly: Nice. I’m so excited. Right.
Laura: Well, June.
Molly: Well, we’ll talk about that, roomie, because, you know, I’m crashing in on that party.
Laura: No, my.
Laura: Molly is a great roommate.
Laura: Just saying we have to.
Molly: I bring hair products.
Laura: She introduced me to hair products, which I did not use today. I’m having, like, the worst hair day, y’all, But that’s okay. We’re just keeping it real. It’s my second day here. Don’t judge.
Molly: You look amazing. My. My hair looks better on, like, the third day. Somehow. I don’t.
Laura: Oh, God. Well, the curls. Maybe that’s what happens with the curls and the product, the home.
Molly: It’s a whole different vibe. Whole difference. All right. We really were going off the track. All right, so we are having a microphone showing up authentically. So the other product that I love, is the product that I loved before. I love the MV7. Yes. It’s a Shure MV88. I love it!
Molly: It is. Well, it comes with an I don’t it’s over there. It comes with a Manfrotto tripod and a microphone. Yep. There it is. So the microphone. It has an app. And this microphone is the coolest thing ever. So you can aim for the microphone. And it works like a shotgun mic. Or you can turn the microphone sideways and put it on omnidirectional. And then I could do an interview and it would pick up your voice from this side and my voice from this side by side. Or you can. Yes, by directional, or then you can aim at yourself. If you’re doing selfie videos and you can dial in the gain on the app and you can plug your headphones into the back of the microphone. And so legitimately one time I had this device at an event in a warehouse and they had massive, like four-foot tall fans blowing like four of them in the where it was. We were yelling at each other to hear one another. But I took this out and dialed the gain all the way in and figured out the distance. And I was able to do interviews with ten different little vendors that you can actually use later. It was easier to hear them in the video than it was to hear them in the room. And I did it with this piece of equipment. So if you are a content creator, say.
Molly: Or if you’re somebody who moves. Exactly. If you’re somebody who is mobile, you can do zoom calls with this. You can do podcast interviews with this, you can do selfie videos, vertical videos you can do you could just record a podcast into it.
Laura: Mm-hmm. I just did that last Tuesday. I recorded my latest podcast episode with the 88 plus because I didn’t bring my MV7, which I normally do on the road because this guy is actually pretty portable. It just folds right up into the yoga.
Laura: Chord. But I yeah, I forgot but I always have my MV88 plus. Exactly So.
Molly: Exactly. Because what’s cool about it is it comes with this little case like a chef’s knife case and everything breaks down and it fits in its little slot and then it rolls up and it’s literally this in your attache or your suitcase or your purse or whatever. Right. So you could keep this with you at all times and you have a Shure microphone. And don’t be fooled by the size of this thing.
Laura: It is mighty.
Molly: This is badass. Little microphone, man. So, yeah, you could do this as the most functional piece of equipment. And this is like 250 bucks. Yeah. The envy seven with like, I know the ones that podcast Outfitters sells and Chuck Levin’s shout-out to local, local music stores. They sell the bundle. It’s the air, the earbuds, the boom arm, and the envy. Seven for 350 bucks.
Laura: What a Deal. Oh, my God, it is.
Molly: And if you use the code TPC ten, you get 10% off, which is enough to cover your shipping, right? So you 350 bucks, boom, you get this thing delivered and then this guy is like 250 bucks and it probably goes on sale at various times, whatever. I don’t I’m not an expert in the pricing, but at 250 bucks, you could do everything. You could be in your home office with a selfie stick, put the phone on it, connect it, be right at eye level, and do zoom meetings. You could be in a hotel room and your phone has a better camera than your computer does and its microphone is better than your computer. So you would actually show up better using this for Zoom meetings, podcast recordings, and making short-form content. So if you’re somebody who only really records and is on camera at home, get the MV7 if you’re somebody who moves around at all.
Molly: Best 250 bucks you’re ever going to spend. Yeah. In relation to content creation, it’s great.
Laura: And you can plug it into your computer, which you can also use the same desktop app I was talking about for the M7 on the 88 plus. Bet you didn’t know that, Molly.
Molly: I didn’t.
Laura: Yeah. So you can control it because the thing Molly touched on, I like the fact that you can change how the microphone picks you up is, like, crazy. Like, it’s a stereo mic. Meaning it has two capsules independently on it. So that’s how it can go from stereo mode to mono cardioid, which basically just means what this one is and what this one is. It’s like a directional mic is going to not pick up stuff coming in from the back of the mic and then the mono bi-directional, which is where you can do an interview and it turns off the front capsule and has just the sides and it’s, like a Swiss.
Molly: It’s amazing.
Molly: Well and like if you if you’re like let’s say we want to do a little impromptu interview but we want it to be on video. Well, you and I could sit next to each other. We can aim the camera at us, and then we could open up the gain. Mm-hmm. Because it’s very visual. Right. So the game for people who don’t understand microphones is kind of like opening the window, Right? And if it’s a little narrow, you’re only going to get so much air in. And if it’s really wide, it’s going to get really windy in your room, Right? And it’s the same thing. So you can sit there and dial in the app, listen to it, and you could aim the camera at yourself and open the game a little bit so that both of our voices would be captured and we wouldn’t be able to look at each other and talk. But we could sit next to each other, we could chat and film it on video with that was way better audio than your phone would ever, ever get on its own. So honestly, to me, that’s like the MacGyver of AV equipment is that thing. I’ve been obsessed with that piece of equipment since I met you, and Adam gave me one back when we were doing the, like, DC Music Awards. Yes. In that dynamic, I knew the huge steps.
Laura: Yes, a lot of steps.
Molly: My memory is as sharp as a knife, but.
Laura: I don’t know what that place was either, But it was four levels of clubs that I was too old to be in. But yeah, so you’re changing the polar pattern like the width of the stereo width of the pickup pattern. And it has some presets too. Like if you’re like, I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. These little icons up here, mirror and pointing are four different things. So speech, music, flat instrument, and loud modes. Like if you’re in that factory full of four fans or whatever, you can put it in loud mode and it will compress you, but not distort anything else. It’ll focus on the source that’s coming into the mic, which is great. So. It does, It does. And without compromising or squashing anything too much. So it’s just it’s made for people who both know what they’re doing and have no idea what they’re doing. But it’s just a perfect solution because it’s so visual.
Molly: Yeah. And then you plug your earphones into the back of the mic. You can hear it. So you can just you could just. Hello? Hello? Oh, I can’t hear you. Adjust it. Hello. Hello? Oh, I can hear it better. You could actually help you learn a little bit about sound. And because that’s the thing, I think people get intimidated by it. But then if you just realize how easy it was and how easily you could adjust it, it’s a confidence booster you feel good about, You’re like, Oh, I got this. And then it’s not this big, scary, unknown thing. Oh, I don’t know. I’m not a tech person, bro. It ain’t that serious. Give it a shot.
Laura: Give it a try, and it’s going to prompt you to download the app so not have to go searching for it. It’s going to be like, Hey, see you plug this in. You want the app and you’re like, Yes, I do. And then it just goes. And then, yeah, put in the headphones, swipe through the different polar patterns and you’ll figure out real quick what you need to be using.
Molly: Exactly. So yeah, those are my top recommendations. And I’m not just recommending these pieces of equipment because I know you and I like you, but because you’re manager, they’ve been around for I mean, how long have you ever been in business? Tell us a little bit about that.
Laura: Yeah, since 1925. So we’re getting up there. We’re coming up on 100 years in a couple of years here. I know, I know. Chicago based always started by Sydney Shore, and he started off making radio parts in his garage and then started moving over to phono cartridges and then microphones and made some microphones during World War Two that went into like the headphones and the mikes for fighter pilots were if those failed, like bad stuff would happen. So we started building the military spec during World War Two and have not gone back. So there’s actually yeah, I’ve got one of the ads or like a sign from that era right there and then an ad from that era and then that’s our one of our first catalogs up there. So yeah, we got some history, but I just, love that it’s like a Chicago-based, still privately owned, and has really good values and just it’s just a rad company to work for. They take care of their people. Yeah, super, super focused on diversity and inclusion right now. So like, you know, it’s just great. It’s a good place to be.
Molly: That’s awesome because I think it matters like corporate responsibility matters and where you spend your dollars matters. And I think there’s a lot of bad information out there in regards to my ex and people spending a lot of money on my eggs that aren’t really appropriate for them and overkill or spending not enough money on my eggs that are on Amazon. And it’s like, well, you can get a Samsung cue for 50 bucks. And that is a solid microphone for somebody who wants to spend $50. Okay, You know what I mean? But you could spend 250 bucks to 350 bucks and have the top-of-the-line microphone. If you’re a podcaster, unless you understand audio and you have an audio interface and excel are cords and you really understand how things work. You don’t need the Joe Rogan microphone. You don’t need a $700 setup. You don’t need any of that. You know, the Shure MV7 is basically that microphone. It’s just crazy user-friendly. And so, you know, spend the money the right way on the right piece of equipment in the last forever. Because if there’s one thing I know about Shure microphones is they are tanks.
Laura: Yeah they are legit because we build them to military spec. I mean that’s no joke like we still do. And so the quality tests that it has to go through are pretty insane.
Laura: I mean, yeah, I mean, go.
Molly: But see, so back at one of massive when we would do these recordings, we would do record Go-Go bands and there’s like five vocalists and they’re very much like they cover them. I, it’s a whole like. Yeah, it’s a whole cultural DC thing, right? And these guys just like, spit in these microphones, especially the rappers and stuff. And so at the end of these shows, we would have unscrewed, you know, what is, what is the show or the round silver one That’s like.
Laura: Oh, symphony.
Molly: We would unscrew them and pour all the spare thick.
Laura: Oh you let them air dry.
Molly: Oh yeah. Disinfect them and screw the top back on and they would work fine the next time like it was. And they’d get thrown across the room, they’d be banged up. Those things are actual tanks and I know that’s like those microphones are a little even sturdier, but I’m, I know it’s all the same manufacturing, it’s the same materials, it’s the same equipment. And I know these are microphones that are going to last you forever. MM.
Laura: Definitely. Definitely. That’s our go shopping.
Matt: Sure. Because we switched all those in once at the higher house studio. Search all the shores. Mm-hmm.
Molly: Yeah, we were on. Can’t even remember what we were using. But we won’t say whatever name it was because it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. They were expensive too, but they weren’t the best microphone for the job. That’s the thing. Like you got to have the right tool for the job, right? It’s like the Yes, the spatula, and the cheese grater analogy.
Laura: That is good.
Molly: Pick off a pancake with a cheese grater, but it’s going to look a little messed up. You know, It’ll work.
Laura: You know that well, and I think otherwise we’ve talked about this a lot. When people are like, Oh, I’m just starting out. I don’t want to spend a lot of money or I don’t know what I’m doing, or that was like, Great. So would you buy something subpar in any other realm of your life because you, you know, are going to start with the worst? Like now, dude, haven’t you learned if you buy crappy headphones, you know, to listen to your music on the plane because you forgot your headphones, you just threw away $20, you know, like you spend the money. You spend the money. It’s not a ton of money, but. Do it right and then you’re not having to buy it again. Do you know what I mean? Just do it right.
Molly: And if there’s an ROIC on like if you can close more deals if your employee meetings go better, your picks for more virtual presentations if you’re picked to be on more Vegas because people don’t understand when you create a podcast like guest profile, one of the things that like we do at Heartcast media, is we have you record a one or two-minute video. Hey, this is what my camera looks like just for my background. Looks like this microphone sounds like this is what I want to talk about. And people are spending a lot of money to have their podcasts produced. They’re not going to pick you up from your laptop microphone. Why would they spend 600 to $1000 an episode, produce a branded podcast, have it edited professionally, graphics made distribution so you can show up on your laptop, you’re not going to get picked. The person who has a microphone is going to get picked every time. And I feel like that kind of carries over in all aspects of the business. And so I just think that a microphone, if you haven’t bought one for 2023, is probably the most solid business investment that you can make. That’s cheap and easy to fix and get.
Matt: Those complaints from clients. That’s like, why does the guest sound like this? Can you fix it? I’m like, No, because they’re speaking on their MacBook Air. Like that’s why from Wholefoods.
Laura: As we say, Oh gosh, yeah. As we say in the industry, garbage in, garbage out. Like you can’t, you can’t fix bad audio. You can. Polish it slightly, but you can’t fix it, you know? So, yeah, we say that a lot.
Molly: Start off with a good recording and you’ll end up with a great one. You know, start off with a bad one. You’ll end up with a slightly less bad one. Words of wisdom, people. You can find me here all week. Put that on a T-shirt. On that note, I feel like this is a good time to wrap up. So we have all of the links for all the products that we talked about, a link or a she podcast because we are definitely going to be there, and that is my favorite podcast convention. Oh, so everything that we talked about is going to be in the description below. Go get yourself a microphone. And when you do hear us up and as a message on Instagram, tag us in it. Let me see your microphone. And if you get the MBA today and you fall in love with it as much as I do, like hit me out. I am so fangirl on MVP 88.
Laura: Yeah, yeah.
Molly: I even go to the conventions and hang out at Laura’s booth and like to start selling people on products, which is like, you don’t have to do that. And I’m like, I’m genuinely excited about this being.
Laura: Like, I’m not trying to like help.
Molly: You with sales. I just like it.
Laura: You know, you got to get it.
Molly: This thing.
Laura: I did.
Molly: Oh, if you’re a little bit of a tech nerd at all and you want better quality stuff, the MV88 is like the best tool you’ll ever have in your briefcase. Like straight up.
Molly: Or your book bag or however you get down.
Laura: Bookbag. My kids wouldn’t want to say that
Molly: I had a really great book bag again stolen in the great break in 2021. But it was an awesome bag that I got from Kickstarter and it was the coolest, like a leather mass in a bike messenger bag. I love that thing. Oh, I know.
Laura: F those.
Laura: Guys and the.
Molly: Universe didn’t want me to have it.
Laura: So it did it.
Molly: On to the next month’s bag I go. So on that note, thank you for tuning in to Camp Content. We are your favorite camp counselors. our favorite guest Laura Davidson from Shure Incorporated. So yes, definitely hit us up though. If you have a show already if you’re going to get one that is now on schedule, let’s talk about your microphones and how much we love them. And until then, we’ll catch you on the next episode of Camp Content. Do your best, always sound better and we’ll catch up on Flipside.