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Molly Ruland:

Alright. Excellent. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Camp Content. I am stoked to introduce our podcast guest today. Gina Mollicone-Long is a Expert in personal development and performance coaching. Her academic background in engineering and philosophy, Gina bridges the gap between science and Spirituality. She’s an international best selling author, cofounder of The Greatness Group, and has trained and coached 1,000 across the globe, Including through GreatnessU currently.

Molly Ruland:

Over the course of her career, which spans back to 1998, Gina has coached and presented to tens of thousands of individuals across six Consonants. Her books, Thinker Sync and The Secret of Successful Failing, offer insights into overcoming obstacles and unlocking true potential. Gina’s all about greatness as you will Learn over the course of this interview. What truly sets her apart is her training and mechanistic model. There’s a little there’s a lot of words coming out here. Her training and mechanistic models of performance. She’s a globally recognized expert in neuro linguistic programming, And she holds the prestigious master trainer board certification from the ABNLP. Furthermore, Gina’s mastery extends to the field of hypnotherapy, where she has achieved the highest as a board certified master trainer of hypnosis from the ABH. Gina’s credentials don’t stop there.

Molly Ruland:

She’s also a bur board certified master trainer of Time line therapy and a master coaching trainer, both from the ABNLP. Her affiliation with the HeartMath Institute also showcases her expertise in Creating resilience within individuals and groups while her deep understanding of ancient Hawaiian practice, Huna, reveals her dedication to breaking through any obstacles. Her Unwavering passion resides at the intersection of mind and matter where she meticulously distills her knowledge and techniques into a form that’s relevant for entrepreneurs, leaders, and seekers alike. You can expect nothing short of a transformation. You can expect nothing short of a transformational journey that has the power to change the course of your life. A lot of words to say. Gina’s a badass who works with people all over the globe. She’s spoken on international stages and has helped people break through in, You know, in ways from chopping up boards in conference rooms to, changing their life drastically. So, I did wanna give all that background because I think it’s important.

Molly Ruland:

There’s a lot of coaches and life coaches, but there’s not everybody coming with this many, This many accolades. So without further ado, welcome to the show, Gina. Thanks. I actually like that intro better than the the than the Formal one, I just you know,

Gina Mollicone-Long:

I’m gonna put that on my business card. She’s a great badass.

Molly Ruland:

She’s a great badass. Well, you know, I mean, Hey. You know, you gotta you gotta where the shoe fits. Right? So, we appreciate you taking some time to hang out with us today and be on CAM content. So, tell us a little bit about kinda, you know, what you have a lot of certifications. You’ve been doing a lot of stuff. Where did the origin story of that like, who lit that fire? What made you wanna go down this path in the first one?

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Honestly, I don’t know. It’s literally been my whole life. So every time somebody asks me to go back to my origin, I end up going further and further back. So, like, I’m eventually just gonna end up in a past life. It is well, like, the other day, someone asked me this exact question, and I traced it back to, like, the age of 9. So I’ve always been if you’re being technical about it, I’ve always been kind of You know, I hate to borrow this word, but it’s it’s just Bette Midler nailed it, like the wind beneath the wings. Because even when I was 9, I was, like, Setting up showcases for my friends who were, like, air quote, good, figure skaters, and we did a fundraiser for raising money for McDonald House or something. I don’t know what it was, but I just remember this memory and because somebody was asking me to trace my coaching origins, and I thought, well, That’s when I was starting because I was coaching them on, like, how we could do the best fundraiser at the age of 9 and 10 in my backyard.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

And then, that morphed into me lying about how old I was, because I was a gymnast, but then I lied about my age so that I could start Coaching gymnastics before I was 14, and then, you know, sorry. That was a bit of transgression, but back then, nobody cared. I just wanted a job coaching gymnastics, and then, by the time I was 16, though, in Canada, we have this something called the national coaching certification program or we did. I don’t know if we do anymore. And so you had to get these levels in order to be allowed to coach. And by the time I was 16, I had five Level 1 coaching certificates for sport because that was, you know, that was sort of, like, appropriate. Actually, at 16, I could coach, You know, gymnastics, diving, volleyball, basketball, soccer. And so, you know but I didn’t know that was gonna be a job.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

It was just, like, what I was doing for fun or, you know, following my heart’s bliss or whatever you wanna call it, you know, and then I became a Teacher of swimming lessons because that was a job I could do that I loved. And then I then then the real world kinda sunk in, and I needed to make more money to go to university, and then when I graduated from engineering and get a real job, and so it kind of took me away from that, not for long, but because I didn’t know that that was a thing you could do. Just didn’t know. So it really has been my whole life. I’m not being, like, You know, I’m not lying when I say that. Like, if I look back, I’ve been coaching since I can remember being alive.

Molly Ruland:

And then what was the shift, though, from being From going so super academic and technical, right, with the to to heading into personal development and coaching.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

So I think personal development’s where I started. Like, I’ve always been coaching or teaching. Right? Like, once I learned how to do something, I would Try to teach as many people how to do it because, you know, it was faster, and there was less effort involved. And that’s how I came up with all the things that I do now because it’s how I’ve always done it, but I was smart. I was good in math and science, and so coaching wasn’t a field in the eighties. So I went to engineering school because I was Good in math and science, and women didn’t tend to study engineering. And as you introduced me, I’m a bit of a badass, so I decided to do engineering.

Matt Billman:

More than a bit. Yeah.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Right? And so, I loved it, and it introduced me to the discipline, and a mechanistic model. Like, Engineering is, you know, it is designing. And so it taught me how to design, albeit, you know, chemical processes and process control, but still the you know, underneath it was this mechanistic way of thinking. But then when you took that and married it with who I was, for me, it was a no brainer. When I wrote The Secret of Successful Failing, I was literally inspired by reading my, Fired by reading my, undergraduate thesis in engineering, which was about feedback control and And specifically about how the failure of the system is feedback in designing the system. And so when I wrote the secret of successful failure, I kinda, like, Jumped across that. And when I went back to my thesis adviser to help me jump across, he was like, like, are you crazy? And I was like, no. No.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

This really does line up. And then once he got it, he was like, oh, this is brilliant. And so for me, the leap was very obvious, although it wasn’t conscious. I didn’t do it on purpose. I just and honestly, just for those of you who’ve ever done an undergraduate degree and written a thesis, I went back 15 years later. I was reading my thesis going, like, What is this even I don’t even understand this, but the principles of feedback, I I understood, and control. And and So I wrote this book where the back of the cover said failure is feedback, period. Mhmm.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

But that’s how I got into NLP. I didn’t mean to.

Molly Ruland:

Yeah. So that’s a good segue into, you know, People who are feeling stuck or playing small and, like, how does NLP tie into that? What is it? How does that work on all that?

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Well, Right. So there I wrote this book, all very organic. Right? And that’s a bit of my thing and that’s just my journey. So, like, I go out and I get all messy and dirty and fall face down in the mud and get all kinds of Crap all over me so that I can distill it into some, like, quick and easy lessons to sort of prevent someone else from having to go through all of that. So I just wrote this book based on this story and, you know, if you wanna read it, read the book. But, somebody read the book and said, oh, this is a really good book about NLP, and I was like, like, I don’t know what you’re talking about. And they said, oh, come on. Are you gonna be one of those people who pretends To invent NLP, I’m like, I seriously don’t know what you’re talking about.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

And she, like, flipped my book over and said, you know, failure is feedback. And I was like, Yeah. Well, that was the title of my undergraduate thesis in engineering. And she’s like, dang. You read a whole book about NLP, and I was like, what is it? So I I I subsequently, that was enough to, like, push me into discovering it, and covering it, and I I went and trained with Tad and Adriana James. Tad Tad passed away a couple years ago, but, when I sat in that classroom, I was like, oh my god. So NLP is just what I call a mechanistic model, and it’s a model I mean, if we’re really just gonna be, you know, as general as possible, It’s a model of success and how to replicate success and using the language of the mind. So that’s a bit like basically, it’s the the founders of NLP, Bandler and Grinder, modeled a bunch of successful people and turned their access into step by step processes.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

And Oh. I was an engineer, and that’s what I do. We turn it into step by step things. So if you could see how someone would read my book, and if they didn’t have an undergraduate degree in process control engineering, They might think that I got it from NLP. And so when I started to learn NLP, I was like, oh my god. This is this is what’s been missing in the Translation that I made when I went from,

Matt Billman:

you

Gina Mollicone-Long:

know, feedback systems to the human mind, you know, if you think of it as, like, engineering of machines versus engineering of humans. And so, you know, after about 15 minutes in the classroom, because it wasn’t what I thought it was, I didn’t know what it was, but I I went because this person just kept yelling at me. And so, you know, at one point, she said to me, like, you know, Tony Robbins. And I was like, I know who that is, but you’re not helping me out here because he doesn’t teach NLP anymore. Right? But I went and Watched him talk. And when we watched him talk, my husband was like, you say, Like, this is almost like you guys are, like, you know, brother from another mother. And so when I learned it, after about 15 minutes of being in the classroom, I was Oh my god. Like, what else don’t I know I don’t know? And so I ran to the back of the room, and I was like, you know, I just wanna do this training as fast as humanly possible.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

And so that had me flying all over the globe and, you know, I had little, little, little kids at the time, and I just did whatever it took to get as much of this information as possible because it was filling in all the gaps where my knowledge was sort of missing something. And at the same time, I got trained in hypnosis because it’s a very similar mechanistic model, but it leverages different Parts of our mind, it leverages a trance state, which is a fancy word for brainwave speed. Okay? So it levels A slow, brainwave speed or a trance state to allow if you get to a slow enough brainwave, you know, can I Incept or insert suggestions? And so in the context of, you know, getting your goal or Quitting smoking or vaping or losing weight or sleeping better or stress reduction, hypnosis allows us to go in and plant suggestions that are conducive to whatever change you’re trying to make. And then I learned something called timeline therapy, which uses a temporal perspective. Again, fancy word for meaning time perspective. So it uses our temporal perspective, to allow for the real release of negative emotions and limiting beliefs and decisions that come from the past. Right? So you know, I mean, we all kind of know everything you know, who we are now is who we were in the past and that’s what holds most people back. And so there was this mechanistic model called timeline therapy that allowed us to literally go back and rewrite the past and not in a metaphorical way, in a very biological way, neurological way.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

And then that allows for a real change in the future results. And so these 3 things I got taught all at once, and I was like, ah, because I didn’t know I didn’t know it, but somebody was working on it. Thank you.

Matt Billman:

Yeah. I’m kinda sitting here going, as I listen to it all.

Molly Ruland:

I know. Exactly. I’m like, I know nothing. So

Matt Billman:

I know nothing.

Molly Ruland:

What I really love about Eugene, is, like, you’re just, Really straight to the point, but you’re combining, you know, science and technology and math with, like, you know, this neuroscience of greatness. Right? For someone like me, who I’m not super woo woo, I’m definitely more interested in the science of it, but I understand the implications. Right? And so it makes a lot of sense to me. So who do you normally work with? Right? Because there’s a lot of information there. But, like, how does this apply to an entrepreneur? How would this Right. How would this apply if I came to you and I’m like, Gina, I’m stuck. You know? Who do you work with? How does this apply for business owners? What is the real world practical implication of all that?

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Right. Well, yeah, that’s like, so there are generally 3 types of people that end up in my sphere. Right? There’s the person, and they tend to be entrepreneurs or or really top performers because, Like me, they have this, like, obsession. Like, they love science, but they also love the woo woo. Right? So, like, you know, I always tell people I have an undergraduate in engineering, Masters of philosophy from the University of Edinburgh. So that’s like academically, those 2 things are extremely different. NLP, I find NLP in a lot of the the mechanistic models that I teach, they’re very, linear, step 1, step 2, you know, This is what this is doing to your brain and blah blah, and then there’s HUNA and and HeartMath that are a little bit less, although HeartMath’s quite tangible, with the data, the HUNA is, like, is, like, completely off the other side, and yet the results are very similar. When you bring the 2 together, There’s magic, right? So the people that there are individuals who just, they know intuitively That, you know, they have greatness or or that they can, you know, they have an intuition faculty that’s really strong or whatever, But they also love they just love the, like, how we’re getting there in terms of science, and so those individuals have, like, this this predisposition to, like, loving the process, and they tend to be peak performers who, when they’re being honest, are kind of playing, you know, like not playing small because by anybody’s yardstick, they have amazing results, but they know they’re only like Given 50% of what they what their total capacity would be and and if we were to unlock that greatness, what would it be? And those people end up working with me personally, like, all everything I do is bespoke custom for them.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

The 2nd kind of person is Coach who coaches people like this, and it could be any kind of coach, right, a health coach, a business coach, a relationship coach, Sports coach. I mean, that’s literally where I started because their job is getting greatness out of others in the genre that they coach in. Well, Everything that I teach isn’t another coaching like, you know, it doesn’t replace what you do. It takes what you do And makes it work faster and with less effort. So when we are in our classrooms, we get a lot of coaches who just wanna be better at what they do. So again but this fulfills my need to, like, reach as many people as possible because if you think of coaches as the influencers of my world, Then by going through the coaches, and if I make them better coaches by imparting what I know about the process of change itself, Then I reach all the people that they coach indirectly through them. Right? And then the 3rd type of person is sort of related to the 1st type of person where they’re like a leader of a group of people. So they’re they’re they’re not a business coach or a coach.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

They’re like a CEO or a leader of leaders in a company usually or an organization. So they’re They’re coaching, but not explicitly, and so they don’t have permission to coach. And because you don’t have permission to coach, You have to be very good at making sure the environment is conducive to peak performance. And so that 3rd person ends up in a hybrid situation where maybe we do a custom program for their own people Or, you know, I work with the CEO and then indirectly through the people or or teach the CEO how to be a coach. So those are the 3 types of people that we work with.

Matt Billman:

Kinda talked about, You know, 3 types of people, and I kinda wanted to see if we could do a little, like, live recording kinda session here because I’m a coach myself. I coach girls hockey. So

Molly Ruland:

extra Canadian.

Matt Billman:

I guess I’ll give you a little example this year. Yeah. No. I gotta go. I’m actually going to Canada over Thanksgiving. But, so I coach, you know, I coach girls hockey. I’m in my 3rd year right now with these girls, and this is the 1st year I’ve I’m coaching 2 teams. So I do the u 16 girls and the u 19 girls. And I’ve had you know, my u 19 girls this year are the same group I’ve had for the 1st 2 years that Aged up, and I’m sticking with them.

Matt Billman:

And they’ve been a very good team for 2 years with great relationships, everything on the team and everything, and this year’s been kinda tough. They’re thinking, like, it’s been kinda tough in terms of win-loss wise, but they’re kind of seeing my philosophy in coaching now as a little harder than usual, even though in my opinion, in my assistant coach Opinions, it’s the same. We’ve always done it. I keep the same track going, but it’s not talking to girls. Well, yeah, I get that. I get that.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Literally Change incarnate. Like, literally. Nobody’s changing more than a teenager.

Matt Billman:

I know. I know. But now they’re all, like, seniors in high school now. So that could be the issue for you. But it’s just like I’m doing everything the same way, but some things are getting negative feedback. And I’m trying to figure out how the heck to adjust the way I do things, but, also, I don’t wanna adjust the way I do things because it’s worked for 2 years with the same group. And like I said, they’re thinking I’m being a little hard on them at times and this, that, and the other. We’re having just some issues with some play stuff, and Just kinda like I’ve I’ve I’ve sat in with my assistant coaches, like, 3 or 4 times, being like, what the hell is going on here? Right.

Molly Ruland:

And how

Matt Billman:

to communicate with them and sit them down and everything. And

Gina Mollicone-Long:

What got you there isn’t gonna get you where you need to go.

Molly Ruland:

I

Gina Mollicone-Long:

I think you probably, I mean, I don’t know, because I need to like, look at it in more detail, but What you’re what you’re trying to do, and this is what a lot of coaches do. I don’t have a I wish I had a slide available right now. But basically, So if you think of coaching as very generally speaking, you’ve got a person or group of people in your case and they’re where they are now, And then you wanna get them to, you know, the best possible performance and that’s the Greek word, means the highest point, okay?

Matt Billman:

Yeah.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Now you use a bunch of coaching tools to get them there, and you erroneously think it’s the tools That do the job, and this is the most common misconception for a coach. It is not the tools. The tools For sure in hockey, you know, you gotta be able to skate and, you know, skate backwards and shoot the puck

Molly Ruland:

and miss the puck and blah, blah, blah,

Gina Mollicone-Long:

blah, right? But, so for sure you need to know how to do the things you do, but what you’re trying to do is replicate the tools and what you haven’t addressed is that the starting conditions have changed, Okay. Whether you are aware of it consciously or not. And so, there are 2 things in that little process. That, I call the ACME coaching framework, it’s just my little thing. And in that, framework, there are 2, You know, carrots, like things you add, before so before you use your coaching tools, It is essential if you want something to change, and that means like get better at skating or get better at shooting or winning or whatever it is you’re trying to change. You have to make sure that their attachment to the way it is is loose, that they are not attached to the comfort zone, That they are ready to step into a new way of doing it. And if you don’t do this, then it’s exactly like what you said. It’s very frustrating because What happens is any attachment to the comfort zone, to the way they’re doing it, to, like, whatever you wanna call it, any comfort zone to that first state Prevents innovation, changes, improves, and so on, and then once they make The change successfully. Okay, so once someone successfully makes the change, then, the next thing you have to do is basically, Like a psycho person, task it until they can’t not do it that way, so it’s like their normal way of doing things And that’s what most coaches don’t do.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

So they’re decent coaches, they got good, they got good, what do you call it, like good Tools, they’re they’re pretty good in their field, you know, but they don’t understand this process, and this is the process of change that sits behind my shoulder here Pretty much all the time on my chalkboard, they don’t understand the process because because they think coaching is about the thing they coach And not about change itself. And this is about change itself. Am I allowed to share my screen? Because I have a quick slide I could

Matt Billman:

Yeah. For sure.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Show that.

Matt Billman:

Yeah. Because, like, even as you pull that up, it’s just like I do it from that perspective too, but I also

Gina Mollicone-Long:

So this is from, like, my Practitioner level course, it’s a 6 in one training where we train coaches on a bunch of mechanisms and a lot of them have to do with Change. So this is most coaches. Right? Identify the current level, use the tools, get to the next level. K? That’s most coaches.

Matt Billman:

Yeah.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

But, here’s my model. Here’s the Acme framework, okay? And the Acme framework says, no, no, before you implement that tool, You have to loosen their grip on the current model, and that could be done a number of ways, Right, this is like breaking it. And so, we teach a lot of linguistic tools because a lot of the people that we teach Use communication, right? And this is especially important if you’re trying to change someone who doesn’t, if you don’t have permission to change them. So when you’re a coach you have permission to like get in there and mess with people’s shot or whatever, but if you’re a leader of an organization, you know people’s permission, You better be a master of language because you’re not gonna be able to change that situation any other way except through language. There’s a video right now that’s viral and it’s a perfect example of Using language to push something back to the way you want it to go, right? No permission to change, no permission to coach. And so Loosening is, and a lot of our tools fall under what we call loosening. And then the other equally mind-exploiting distinction is Once the person’s done it once, your job then is to make sure that’s how they do it all the time. And under pressure, when the going gets tough, when you’re, you know, when you got somebody in the penalty box for 5 minutes and there’s only 4 of you on the ice, Like, can you still do it this way under extreme pressure?

Matt Billman:

Yeah. So to that real quick, sorry to cut you off. We go by a term. It’s called a task. The next task you look at things you can control and you can’t control. You can’t control reps. You can’t control things that happen in the game, but you can control your focus On our job and our task and keeping our mindset straight and everything. So it’s usually our biggest task, the next task.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Right. And the thing is, Can they do a task net test when, you know, the proverbial SHIT is hitting the fan? Right? Like like so so In order to do that, so let’s say what you want is a is a, I don’t know, a group of kids who can play at their best even in the worst circumstances, like Like the reffing bad, the ice is bad, they’re short side, like just think of everything that could be possibly, then what you need to do is put them in situations And require them to perform at their best in those kinds of circumstances. Well, if they’re not bought into that, Right, then, and they’re attached to the way it is like, attached to, like, Always winning or attached to like, having the best this or, you know, blah, blah, blah, that, then they’re going to hang on to that, even though Your coaching will make them better. They’re like, yeah, but I want to hang on to this comfort zone because I kind of like it. And that’s just how human beings work. So if there’s ever any gain from their current situation, until that gain is broken or turned into, you know, more pain than gain, They’re never gonna change. And these are fundamentals of change. They’re not fundamentals of hockey, they’re not fundamentals of teenage girls, they’re not Fundamentals of of, you know, winning a game or sport coaching, they are fundamentals of change itself.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

And all coaches change, air quote, managers, and very few coaches know anything about the process of change. Enter the process control engineer. Right? So that’s how for me it all it I’ve been working on changed my whole life. It’s only been In the last, you know, 20 years that I’ve been able to articulate it in this way.

Molly Ruland:

So I’m looking at these screenshots and these slides, and I see Greatness You on there. And so I feel like this is a great time to talk about Greatness You because all of these resources are as, you know, short of working with you directly, of course. But there’s a whole lot of resources for this ACME framework of greatness. Let’s talk about that a little bit.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Well, while, you know, while we were Matt asked me that question, I was like, And so I just was, like, quickly going through my computer to find the slide deck for our level one training. We call it our NLP coach 6 in one. And in that I knew it was in there, and so I was like, oh, so you’re you’re you’re literally just seeing a slide from the training, and this training is for people who coach and or people who wanna learn how to coach. I mean, you could come in here Kind of blind and if you started learning about coaching by starting at the fundamentals of change that would not be necessarily a bad thing. But probably you would need to after that go out and find your favorite genre of coaching, right? But if you’re already a coach, then this training just kind of layers on top of what you know so that you can change yourself. And GreatnessU, we teach coaches, You know, we and we give them certifications because for some people, that’s really important. They wanna know, like, who certifies you. Well, you’re gonna get a bunch of certificates from you.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Who the hell’s greatness are you? So then we make sure that a lot of our trainings are accredited by the outside boards because coaching’s a very It’s a non licensed unregulated environment and you don’t know, you know, just because someone has a piece of paper doesn’t make them good coach by the way, But at least if someone is credited, right, and and what makes someone a good coach is the results that they get, the period. And these programs that we teach help people get better results faster with less effort on top of What they already know.

Molly Ruland:

Yeah. I mean, the coaching world is a very murky space. It seems to be a little bit more regulated in, like, the sports world because you know? But with business or personal coaching, it’s just the wild wild west out there. Anybody can call themselves a coach and start charging money if they have good marketing. So,

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Sure. But I mean, that

Matt Billman:

money, you know,

Gina Mollicone-Long:

will only be spent as long as the person’s getting results, so it’s a it’s sort of like a self That’s

Molly Ruland:

a really great perspective on it. You know what, you’re absolutely right, that’s a really

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Like my coaches always ask me when they graduate, you know, what should we charge? And I was like, well, it really depends where you live, But it’s about the value you’re creating. And that in the results that you’re getting, not whether or not you went to this school or that school Or have this degree or that degree or this certificate or that certificate. The bottom line is, can you help someone get from a, which is their comfort zone, to Acme? Like, period. Can you? And if you can, what’s that worth to the person? Well, it depends what kind of coaching you do.

Matt Billman:

Yeah. I get you see in sports too because I even like the way I approach it. It’s just like, I Grant, yes. I’m your hockey coach, and the wins and stuff are great. And but you’ll become a better player along the way because I always tell the kids and the parents just day 1 is, like, 3rd on my list of important things I wanna accomplish is just making them better players. It’s just like, one is like, when you leave me, I want you to be a better person. Like, learn Life skills, learn this, learn that. Be a better person when you leave me out in the real world and this, that, and the other in your community and your school and all that stuff, and then we’ll the hockey stuff just comes along the way because that’s what we’re here for anyway, and we’re working on it.

Matt Billman:

But

Gina Mollicone-Long:

It’s the shared love that they have right now in their lives. But the truth is, this isn’t about, like, Making hockey their career could be, but it’s more like what most likely is that they won’t be playing hockey at this level for the rest of their life, but the lessons they learn through playing hockey

Matt Billman:

Exactly.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

It is something that should carry with them forever. That’s the real impact.

Matt Billman:

And it’s like when SHIT does hit the fan and you’re that upset about something that’s going on in a game or a practice, listen. There’s a lot worse that’s gonna happen When you’re done playing hockey and at school and in life, and you’re gonna look at this situation again and be like, I was in tears over that Yeah. When I got This crap going on in my real life, like, yeah, straight up. Like

Gina Mollicone-Long:

The 1st book I ever wrote was called the secret of successful failure. You don’t ride a canoe when you’re on top of the mountain, right? Like, and that’s, but it is through adversity, You know, what you want is to teach someone how to take adversity in a hockey game, very low stakes. Learn the skills of turning that adversity into an advantage and then map that skill into life when the stakes are higher, Right? It’s like, like, that’s what I always say to people, why don’t you learn how to turn adversity into advantage. And then every time an adversity comes along, you’re the only one flipping it into advantage. And, eventually, by the way, when you get out into the real world, the people who can do this are the most successful people on the

Molly Ruland:

planet. Always on fire all the time. That’s life. Know what I mean, if you expect everything to be perfect, you haven’t been paying attention. That’s for sure.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Yeah. Like, Well, I show a video at the beginning of this course, so, it’s a runner and she falls, but, like, the slide that follows it is, when you’re no longer able to change your environment or others, then you’re forced to change yourself. And that’s where real leadership starts, right? Is that once you realize you are at Cause of the experience of your life? I did not say you are because of the circumstances of your life. I did not say That you can change said circumstances. I said you are the cause for the experience of your life. And that is a choice. Right? Stuff’s always happened to people.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

By the way, I got that quote from Viktor Frankl. And he wrote A Man’s Search For Meaning. And and, like, I’m sorry, but if he can find meaning in that I won’t I won’t I won’t spoiler it, but if you pick it up, He found meaning in one of the most atrocious

Molly Ruland:

social distancing every day, so can I? Damn it. You know what I mean? Like, come on. So, for anybody who’s listening to all this and getting inspired and getting curious, what’s the best, what’s the best pathway to get to you? You know, to either Take your courses or work with you directly?

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Well, sure. Yes. Yeah, work with me, take the courses, find me, you know, you of all people know my technology skills are far Underdeveloped. I probably need yeah, exactly. I need a whole course on technology skills. But so what I’ve decided is if I have a Linktree and that I keep that up to date. It’s got all my socials. It’s got our latest and greatest.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

There’s probably a webinar on there right now. It’s got whatever course is coming up next. It gets to me so if you just go to Linktree, like, linktr.ee/genamollicone, Then I can be guaranteed it’s gonna be

Molly Ruland:

I love Linktree. It’s so effective and efficient. I don’t know why everybody doesn’t use it.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Well, because I mean, there was a point where I was like, okay, so my Instagram is this, and my LinkedIn is that, and now I’m on TikTok, because they made me go on TikTok. And then there’s the there’s my website, and then there’s my other website, and then there’s the course, and this is like so go to Linktree and whatever, like, you know, Whatever is your sort of preferred method of engaging

Molly Ruland:

is available. Some people might just wanna watch some of your videos and, you know, dive a little deeper, so it’s really great. So, yeah, as the kids say, get in where you fit in on LinkedIn and make it happen.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Get in where you fit in. Yeah. Like, I, I’ve been doing a lot of little short form videos because as the kids say, that’s about their attention span. So try to cram an entire NLP course into, You know, 190 2nd segments, but I’m doing okay. Some, some, it’s, it’s finding the right hooks for people, right? Like, Like, I put up this amazing profound post, and I’m like, oh, yeah. That’s awesome. It’s like 6 views. And then a cat falls off a, You know, a ledge into a pool, and it gets like 2,000,000 views.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

So clearly, like, clearly, I don’t quite understand how To do that, but, every once in a while we hit the right, you know, stage fright a real, it’s interesting to me, because, like, I speak for a living. So, You know, stage fright is a big one. Conflicting conversations is huge right now. Right? And so It’s all there. It’s all in there. Like, like, I have 3 rules for leaders. And I’ll come maybe this is a good thing to sort of tie this all together. Number 1, and I already said this, be at cause.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Be at cause and and know that you are the source of the power in your life, period.

Molly Ruland:

That’s good.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Number 2, Create connections, right? There’s a reason it’s divide and conquer. If we divide everybody, then whoever’s doing the dividing can do the conquering. But if you create connections, then you will create, you know, a web almost. So Once you’re connected to someone, even if you have something to say that they don’t necessarily like or agree with, if you’re connected, there’s more opportunity that they’ll hear you. If you’re not connected, no one’s listening, right? So create connections. And that is a skill that can be taught. Rapport is a technique of NLP. It can be broken down into steps, it can be taught.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Even if you’re the worst person on earth, it can be taught. And then the 3rd rule of leadership is, you know, and I have this written down on a piece of paper. It says adapt, adapt, adapt, and then every time I have a tough day or a challenging circumstance, I add another adaptation. So right now I’ve got 400 Adapt, adapt, adapt, adapt, adapt, and then after that, adapt, adapt some more and then adapt, adapt, adapt, adapt, adapt, adapt, adapt, because the rules of the game, and this is Darwinian a bit, Right? It’s not the strongest of the species that survives, it’s the most adaptable that survives. Right? Can I bend, can I bend here, you know, or to steal from Neo in the matrix? It’s not, or not Neo, the little kid, It’s not the spoon that bends, it’s only yourself. There is no spoon. You know? I love that. They’re like so sometimes I’ll just say that to People who are my private

Molly Ruland:

They’re like, she’s lost it, people, she’s officially lost it. No, they know

Gina Mollicone-Long:

what it means, they’re like, damn, Come back to the beginning, be at cause, right? So it’s like it’s circular, the circular tip and this is, You know, everything I teach falls into that. That’s what I was trying to do with those 3 rules. So all levels of greatness fall into those 3 rules. Some emphasize more than others, but The bottom line is, you know, you’re you’re here to reveal your greatness, and

Molly Ruland:

Everyone’s gonna be here. A c suite executive or a coach either. You could just be a person. And you could be a mom. You could be a housewife. You could be a stay at home dad. You could be a 9 to 5 secretary. There’s no rules on who this content would be, that’s right.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Right? I don’t know if you can read this. It says greatness lies in everyone, this little rock that sits on my little stand here on my desk. Every single person on earth, and I and I don’t mean this facetiously, every single person has unbelievable levels of greatness in it. And the only reason why it’s not being revealed to the world is they’re not in touch with it. It’s not that it’s not there, and my job is literally to help them get in touch with it. So I don’t do anything, they do it. Right? You know, sometimes when I’m being kind of self deprecatingly funny, I’m like I’m basically like the polishing gloves, you know, those silver polishing gloves that polish, like, the silver. Like, my job is, like, I just polish what’s already there.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

So, you know, I’m a glove on a best day or a straw if I’m talking and teaching. Right? Like, it just comes through me. Not my information. I’m just Well

Molly Ruland:

and everybody wants a different, you know, avatar or teacher. Right? Like, I resonate with somebody. That’s why we hit it off in our 1st conversation because I’m like, Jean is Not bullshitting, and she says what she means, and she’s very smart. I’m like, that’s my brand of people. Like but not everybody everybody ever is a little different. Right?

Gina Mollicone-Long:

You know? What we are, we are super linear, and yet the way we met was, like, completely nonsensically insane and lonely.

Molly Ruland:

And here we are, like, a year and a half later. Right? You know what I mean, like

Gina Mollicone-Long:

So it’s like mind and matter. It’s like it’s like we’re totally linear, and we love science, and we love logic and at the same time, we’re both totally open to the synchronicity in the non visible world, And that’s what actually caused me to connect with you. Right? So the, you know, You could have done I suppose, like a targeting of my love of linearity, and I probably never would have met you. So it was the synchronicity that brought us together. But then like, I’m not surprised that we share that, That, that sort of intersection. And that’s the world we live in right now. So, you know, if I’m teaching the most Woo woo topic I know, I’m generally dressed like the most business person you could ever see just to create that paradox for people so they can understand. Like, one of the things that I do is I make those topics accessible To people who they’re, like, interested in, but they’re like, where the hell am I supposed to go? I don’t wanna go to, like, some Kumbaya meeting where I don’t fit in.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Right? And so I make those, I’m like, look, let’s talk about the non visible world, let’s talk about consciousness as primary, let’s talk about spirit, if you will, and let’s do it in a way that has us understand the only reason why we didn’t have Science back then is we didn’t we didn’t have the language for it. We didn’t, we weren’t there yet. So somebody will say to me, oh, has this been proven by science? And I’ll say, well, Just because our current science can’t prove something doesn’t make it not valid. Like, don’t don’t mistake the absence of evidence as evidence for absence. Because ancients knew a lot of things we don’t know and they got to that information in a different Way. And now we’re able to prove it, but what if the reason why we can’t prove that this technique or this field, what if the reason we can’t prove that it exists is because our science is not sophisticated enough yet? If that’s the reason, then why are we throwing it out? Just because our current science isn’t advanced yet. Right? So it’s a fine line.

Molly Ruland:

It is, and it’s a good way to look at yourself right just because of yourself as well. Like, just because you’re not there yet doesn’t mean that you won’t be. Right? So

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Well, totally. And, like, on my personal webpage, like, not the not greatness of you, it kinda says right up front, like, breakthroughs occur, Breakthroughs, like like, we’re talking about step changes in your life, step changes in your goals, in your performance. They occur When you recognize you’re more energy, you are more energy than matter, like equals mc squared. You are more energy than matter. And when you recognize and you know how to work with that understanding, a breakthrough takes place because it’s like, it’s like unlocked or unleashed. Right? Like an explosion. And so that’s where I work. It’s like you’re gonna get more results changing, you know, a table If you change the blueprint of the table design, then if you, like, start chopping the leg and sanding the top and doing all that, right, Sometimes you gotta drop the leg and stay on the top.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

No question. But you’re gonna have more impact once you go back to the blueprint.

Matt Billman:

I

Molly Ruland:

I love it. You dropped a lot of gems on this one, Gina. I appreciate it for sure. I love it. It’s good stuff. So, you know, if anybody is, if anybody’s, yeah, if nobody’s watching, go go to Greatness U. Go to Gina Mollicone-Long. Uh-huh.

Molly Ruland:

Okay. That’s right. It’s just I always call it gina.com because in my world, that’s the only, like, I No. I wish it

Gina Mollicone-Long:

was Gina .com, but that unfortunately is a shoe brand, which is ironic that I have shoes. No. It’s Gina. That’s why I say Linktree. Just go to Linktree, man. It’ll take you

Molly Ruland:

every day. Connect with Gina and her content and everything else. I mean, she’s easy enough to find. She’s creating lots of amazing content. She’s got a podcast that’s getting ready to launch called Down the Greatness Rabbit Hole, so we’re excited to help with that. And, of course, Gina is also available for podcast. She has you well, you can’t see her microphone, but she’s got a great setup, a great camera, and a great microphone. There it is.

Molly Ruland:

Hey. And

Gina Mollicone-Long:

I like it out of the frame.

Molly Ruland:

Right? You know? Just don’t mute it. Just don’t mute it, Gina. It’s all yeah. That’s good.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Yeah. Just don’t touch it. Right? Just don’t touch stupid men.

Molly Ruland:

I know. So I know somebody else did that this morning, but, anyway, I digress. So, you know, Gina Gina is really a wealth of information, knowledge, and experience. So if this is intriguing to you at all, I highly encourage you to connect with her and do the work because you won’t regret it. I feel like now is a good time.

Matt Billman:

I

Molly Ruland:

feel like there’s a huge shift kind of happening in the world, like, post pandemic, whatever. Like, yeah. Yeah. There’s too many things to even mention, but it’s a good time to go with it.

Gina Mollicone-Long:

We are being given the opportunity to grow. Yes. Well is optional.

Molly Ruland:

The alternative ain’t so great. So on that on that note

Gina Mollicone-Long:

Nope.

Molly Ruland:

Thank you, Gina, and we’ll see you again soon. Thanks for tuning in to Camp Content. If you found this content valuable, please share it on LinkedIn, tag us up.